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>> well, the debate among the u.s. and the allies now on sending heavy and more lethal weapons and tanks, artillery, apcs, that seems to be settled. the question now comes down to logistics, right? can they be delivered where and when they are needed the most? >> right. so you see this russian general goes after the train station there. and it's not necessarily kill civilians. i'm sure from his perspective, that's what he doesn't care to do but to take out the rail heads because if we are going to take tanks and apcs and bring them from poland and romainia ad other borders that are 4 or 500 mi...

Approximate be a difference maker. >> that is the thing. right now, czech republic have provided tanks to the ukrainian military. there is also armored vehicles which are coming in from other countries, as well. long-range artillery, also. um, how will that change the battlefield in the -- in the favor of the ukrainians? >> well, the javelins that the west has sent i think are the most important element. it's going to be challenging for those tanks to kind of get to the battlefield. they are going to have to put them on rail heads. i think that the we have got to see how that goes and the apc,...

Impacting employees and customers and america's supply chain and as you look at that ainsley, absolutely right. that is part of the supply chain. so why doesn't joe biden who is so concerned about the supply chain at the port, why isn't he concerned about the supply chain at our rail heads? because what is happening to america's cargo is absolutely despicable. that is terrible. right now los angeles it looks like union pacific is thinking about how do we reroute our trains so they don't have to stop there? because if they are stopped there, ainsley, they are going to get looted. >> ainsley: ye...

So the additional forces that they bring in, these rail heads exist, these lines of communication exist, the road work has been used for years. it is an easy movement in. we're seeing forces in these areas preparing for additional movement. >> i think we have video we can look at here. let's swing the camera around and take a look at some of the things we have seen here. you can explain to us what we're seeing here. >> these are support vehicles, which are going to have on the back of this is ammunition, maybe troops, probably not, this is logistics stuff. important to point out these videos a...

Reinforce. bear in mind, forces are already here. rail heads are there, road networks there, et cetera. they're moving forces into this area. donetsk, luhanz and an area that's initially not going to see much fighting. if putin says push it out, this is where the conflict will start. >> that's what i wanted to ask. as you mentioned, forces have been there since 2014, right? they've been in there. ukrainian forces are also in this region. there has been fire back and forth, shelling back and forth. this has been going on. but what happens next? how much do you, would you think that russia, how ...