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20000 people were there protesting against the regime in teheran and the leader warned about a western policy of appeasement which he said are concessions to iran. what is she talking about and how do we stop them? >> one effect of this whole negotiation process of an agreement is to legitimize the ie toe las. even the obama administration hasn't taken them off that list. we're not supposed to negotiate with terrorists. we're not only giving a legislate si to their ewe rain yam enrich lt m. despite the fact that among iranians still in the country it's a very unpopular regime. we're endangerin...

That produces you rain yam. we should use that against the north koreans, that's my opinion. tom ridge knows much more about this subject than i. he's the former governor of the great state of pennsylvania and served as the nation's first secretary of homeland security. governor, thanks for being here. what should be the response? >> i think you raise a couple of interesting points. let's take the unique relationship we have with the u.n., a diplomatic response. it's a dead end. economic response, no relationships. another dead end. certainly not a kinetic response. we're not going to launch a...