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In the air. >> this is a training issue, because you should know how to deactivate that system, but if you're not even aware the system exists, you wouldn't even think of it. >> joining me now, julian bray and aviation expert who specializes in security operations. how could that single switch, anti-stall system, have saved the ethiopian airlines flight? >> good morning. the whole point is they didn't know about it. the whole -- this special gizmo was designed to float in the backgrounds, underneath whatever the pilot was doing. so the pilot could be, also on autopilot could fly the plane manu...

The last few months p. he said cyber attacks were a possible subject of the investigation. that would be remarkable, would it no snnchnot? >> it would be. make sure you look for the people who didn't. the second question is the difference between -- we've seen a lot of naval accidents recently. the difference between training redness, policy, procedure. did something happen in those ship accidents we've seen recently that could be improved versus accidents. this this case you're talking about millions of people around the world involved in diplomatic military operations. are we sure we have so...

But when you have four like this, all of them ship handling related in some form or fashion, within about eight months, it's the right thing to ask some tough questions. is there something larger going on? is it a leadership problem? is it a training problem? is it a funding problem? the navy has lived through a lot of fiscal uncertainty in the last few years. and navy leaders several years ago, you might remember, anderson, were warning that there could be real training performance problem it is the funding situation didn't get involved. i'm not blaming this on budget. i'm just saying they're...

Is there something larger going on? is it a leadership problem? is it a training problem? is it a funding problem? the navy has lived through a lot of fiscal uncertainty in the last few years. and navy leaders several years ago, you might remember, anderson, were warning that there could be real training performance problem it is the funding situation didn't get involved. i'm not blaming this on budget. i'm just saying they're going to look at all of that. >> the bottom line, seven sailors killed the last time, ten missing tonight. our thoughts and prayers with their families. >> indeed. >> ad...

Would be a very good time to talk about training and education, investing in -- >> but we also need laws, eugene, because i don't care how much training you have, if a man is telling you that you pulled over as in the case of philando castile and he's telling you i have a licensed gun and you shoot seven times with this girlfriend sitting there and her young child sitting in the back seat, that's not a training problem that a jury let go. there is too much room in the law that allows you to do something as blatant as that yet they say it's not against the law. the laws need to be in my opinion...