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Adjust? u.s. troops are spoeds to, if there's no agreement, out by the end of the year. if we don't have a new government until summer, that doesn't leave a lot of time for the united states to shift gear and stay on the ground and resume this training role. unclear how many troops would stay behind. the commander in this country says 10,000 to 12,000. >> richard engel in afghanistan, thank you for your reporting. still ahead, pushed out by protesters after just 11 days on the ground. mozilla's new ceo stepping down after his position on gay marriage. it's one of the things we thought you sh...

I think he jays recalibrating the approach in mali. he wants to use more indigenous forces and turn it over to more -- our training role, rather than more american boots on the granted there. i think he is signal that this large american occupation of places like afghanistan and iraq has to be a thing of the past. >> i want to make sure that you both weigh in on benghazi. we continue to learn more information. the house has played a major role with several hearings, trying to get to the bottom of what we know, a timeline for what happened and who knew what when. congressman thornberry are you ...

Take arabic, they take french. do you believe that we could see a day where young men and women come home in boxes from this region? >> well, sadly, luke, we've just seen that day. there were four brave americans -- >> more so, yeah. >> -- killed in benghazi. there were three recently killed in this terrorist incident in algeria. i think it's important for us to focus on a training role and a support role for u.s. armed forces, and recognize that we have a positive model as secretary clinton reminded us, in what's happened in somalia. in the last two years in somalia, a regional african-led fo...

The hands of president hamid karzai right now. and the only person outside the u.s. government who has talked to him at length on this subject any time recently is now our guest. joining us is atia abawi. atia had an exclusive and sitdown interview with president karzai in kabul last month. great to have you i don't here. >> great to be on. thank you, rachel. >> in terms of a potential agreement between the u.s. and afghanistan, for a long-term presence for u.s. troops, what -- from talking to karzai, what matters more to him, the number of americans who are still in the country or the circums...

Interview was the circumstances, really, that he wants the americans there in a training role. and on the outlier, he does want them to fight the insurgency, which he says in pakistan. he hopes the americans will be able to their special operation missions to get the insurgency, the taliban that won't talk. and he says most of those are actually across the border. he also mentioned he will talk about the immunity, that he needs to talk to the afghan people. but in the end, it's the afghan people who are going to decide whether or not they will be willing to give the american troops that immuni...