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Highlights divisions, generational and gender. do you see a generational division now in your caucus? >> i don't necessarily think so. because you have people from john conyers' generation and al franken's generation and harvey weinstein's generation and matt lauer's generation and all of these other people who are appalled by the kind of behavior that we're hearing about. so i think across the board, people are frustrated. and that is still happening in our society today, but our role here in the united states congress is to set the standard. and that's why i'm so adamant on us making sure th...

Commit this crime -- >> whichal have seen says, and says to me they are not getting it right now. >> it's beside the point unless the bottom line is if you do it, you're going to get caught, prosecuted, dishonorably discharged and in jail. until that's true, actually, i don't think you're guilty, so you're free to go, until that issue is settled in the military, all this training stuff ends up being besides the point. >> here's the big question, i can't imagine a thing that would create more political consensus in america than the folks who are serving in the military should not be subject to ...

Excuse that. if you don't have that, everything else you do to support victims or educate people about not getting themselves into the situation where they might be tempted to commit this crime -- >> which is all the literature i have seen says, and says to me they are not getting it right now. >> unless the bottom line, if you do it, you're going to get caught, prosecuted, dishonorably discharged and in jail. until that's true, actually, i don't think you're guilty, so you're free to go, until that issue is settled in the military, all this training stuff ends up being besides the point. >> h...

Excuse that. if you don't have that, everything else you do to support victims or educate people about not getting themselves into the situation where they might be tempted to commit this crime -- >> which is all the literature i have seen says, and says to me they are not getting it right now. >> unless the bottom line, if you do it, you're going to get caught, prosecuted, dishonorably discharchd and in jail. until that's true, actually, i don't think you're guilty, so you're free to go, until that issue is settled in the military, all this training stuff ends up being besides the point. >> h...

And stay ahead of their missions. >> martha: always good to talk to you, thank you very much. joining me now my phone is former new york city police commissioner bernard kerrick, good to have you with us this evening. obviously a bad day for all new yorkers. we've been down this road before and now it has revisited our great city. >> listen, the unfortunate thing is that nobody should be surprised by this. these people constantly, whether it's isis or al qaeda, or any of these it radical islamic extremist groups, constantly promoting what they are going to do, how they are going to do it. it's...