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People on the ground in any great numbers. it's going to require a regional force, multi-national force of interested parties in the region and you can't even get those people to agree on which side they're on. so it's going to be extremely difficult to eradicate isis militarily. what is going to happen, i believe, is that there's going to be a slight increase in special forces, special operations forces, people on the ground to control air assets, ground liaison officers and forward air controllers, and mobile training teams. but you're not talking about an enormous number of troops and you'r...

Troops on ground, there's still going to be violence. >> we did exactly the same thing in vietnam. i was one of the last combat troops out of vietnam. in early 1973, we had a small number of training teams doing exactly what we were going to do in afghanistan, made almost no progress whatsoever. >> what would be the motivation to have the 7,000 to 10,000, nbc news says they are hoping for 10,000 to 15,000 to be there. what then would be -- >> cutting the baby. this is a fear. think if they left 5,000 to 7,000 troops in iraq and it was chaotic. they would say you need to do more. they don't wan...

There already are plans for a phased withdrawal from afghanistan. president said he wants the majority of troops home by 2014. he's the boss and means business. i think he wants to have a large number of troops out thereof by this time next year when the campaign is in earnest. >> what does this look like in terms of the troop withdrawal? is it from pockets, or is it just small groups from everywhere? >> it's not across the board. >> no? >> no, here's what we're going to do. we're going to -- from areas where we've been really successful, and there are areas there where the afghans have taken ...

Future action in europe and the united states. probably the former in europe than in the united states. >> do you think capture and killing of osama bin laden gives the u.s. military the chops to withdraw from afghanistan more quickly than previously planned? i know the beginning was supposed to happen in july, some troops will be coming home. might that happen more quickly now? >> i think the president may use this as an opportunity to justify a faster withdrawal from the region, but make no mistake about it, we're going to be keeping people there, we're going to have mobile training teams in...

And then we wasted -- we completely ignored afghanistan for seven years. it is not surprising that it is going to take another seven years to make it up. but we're not going to stay there another seven years. the president alrea" said so. >> let's go over the numbers here, jack. the u.s. has 100,000 troops in afghanistan. petraeus telling the senate committee yesterday he would soon give president obama this plan to start withdrawing the troops. is this simply a game of numbers and when we're talking about the withdrawal of troops, how quickly can you pull them all oug out? >> it is all number...