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Great bodily injury. >> bill: do you adisagree with me though that zimmerman got involved initially because of the way traive martin looked? do you agree with that? >> yes. i agree with that pressroom then things changed. >> do you agree with the premises. >> what the evidence showed in the trial he noticed trayvon martin. he stood out because he had a hoody on was walking slowly in the rain trying to get out of it. >> that's not the way he looked. >> he didn't say i'm looking at this guy because is he black and is he in this area. >> it was the way mr. martin was presenting himself to mr. zim...

>> bill: continuing now with our coverage of the george zimmerman verdict. joining us now from washington, mary katharine ham and juan williams. juan, you heard my talking points. heard the discussions. am i making any mistakes in your opinion. >> it's very interesting to me. i know why i watch this show. your source of constant amazement to me. you said you believe zimmerman initiated the fracas and you said that as far as you are concerned he profiled traive martin but then when reverend did he graph said well, if a white guy, a black guy had been stalking a white guy amend the white guy rea...

>> bill: continuing now with our coverage of the george zimmerman verdict. joining us now from washington, mary katharine ham and juan williams. juan, you heard my talking points. heard the discussions. am i making any mistakes in your opinion. >> it's very interesting to me. i know why i watch this show. your source of constant amazement to me. you said you believe zimmerman initiated the fracas and you said that as far as you are concerned he profiled traive martin but then when reverend did he graph said well, if a white guy, a black guy had been stalking a white guy amend the white guy rea...

>> bill: continuing now with our coverage of the george zimmerman verdict. joining us now from washington, mary katharine ham and juan williams. juan, you heard my talking points. heard the discussions. am i making any mistakes in your opinion. >> it's very interesting to me. i know why i watch this show. your source of constant amazement to me. you said you believe zimmerman initiated the fracas and you said that as far as you are concerned he profiled traive martin but then when reverend did he graph said well, if a white guy, a black guy had been stalking a white guy amend the white guy rea...

We get white supremacy. >> bill: using the traive martin -- at had nothing to do with the death of trayvon martin it was calamity not a product of policy. you can't convince the radical left of that because they don't want to be convinced listen to michael pfleger who consistently opines that the u.s.a. is a racist country. >> and we are tired of race being the foundation of injustice in america. i refuse to ignore the race in this issue. we are not in a post racial era. in fact, racism has a second press in america today and last night it got new oxygen. >> bill: father pfleger believing hist...