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Moments. that pulpit is empty now. >> it's completely empty. but we shouldn't be surprised. any americans who have looked at this incident and all of a sudden they are just aghast, that means they have not been paying attention to who donald trump was during the campaign, who he's been for these past seven months, but also who he's been for the past 40 years. we know about the doj, we know about the tral park five and the full-page ad calling for their death. this is also a man, you know, when we had obama go to the eulogy and try to bring the country together, even after 9/11, think about geo...

That is basically there for the president in these kinds of moments. that pulpit is empty now. >> it's completely empty. but we shouldn't be surprised. any americans who have looked at this incident and all of a sudden they are just aghast, that means they have not been paying attention to who donald trump was during the campaign, who he's been for these past seven months, but also who he's been for the past 40 years. we know about the doj, we know about the tral park five and the full-page ad calling for their death. this is also a man, you know, when we had obama go to the eulogy and try to ...

Walker. pugh ligtser prize winning author wilger son who wrote a remarkable book among other be sellers about the black migration from the south to the north. thank you to both of you for joining us. i want to just dispense of a couple of things that happened in the last conversation that i had with hugh hugh wit. there are a lot of people saying on tv today that donald trump has never done anything racism. there was the tral park five. there were the federal charges that he faced about representing to african americans and there was the whole birther situation. but let's move on to what the c...