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The mexican president, later got the transcript itself, and my colleagues trying to match that actually ended up getting their hands on the australia transcript and that was february 2nd, 2017. so just to show you, it was less than a month before president trump took office. michael flynn, his first national security adviser was still in place. but there was a lot of turmoil under his very short time in the administration. what was happening, what we discovered is there wasn't the normal protocol you would have for the distribution of these kinds of transcripts or any kind of access to these k...

That the democrats are claiming. in fact, i actually believe that if speaker pelosi and the democrats are taken another 24 hours to make their decision and actually looked at the facts, which is the transcript itself, they might not have moved forward, because there is no quid pro quo. never to the president threatened the aid, nor did he with me, in other words, he never linked the aid to corruption in general or certainly not an investigation in particular, so he talked about the fact that he wanted the europeans to do more and was concerned about sending taxpayer dollars to ukraine when the...

Crime? is there enough wiggle room or is it a crime? >> well, the question with respect to impeachment isn't whether it's a crime. it's a political judgment and we now see tremendous number of democrats basically making the decision that this is sufficient for impeachment. the transcript itself, i think we just see a small piece of it. when the president comes out and says everybody thought this would be such a big deal, it's the white house that unilaterally made this public, not the congress that asked for it. so we have to see additional information. there's potential campaign finance viola...

But we don't come out of this necessarily with any greater insight into donald trump's actions during the election year. paul: okay. in the transcript itself, did glenn simpson get the story straight about what triggered the fbi's interest in the trump/russian ties? >> no. and, look, by the way, he had to issue a correction. he came out, and he got everybody excited. the press was all over it saying when they turned in this dossier, they were simply back up information that the fbi already had from an internal source within the trump camp -- paul: that's what he said. >> if that were true, it ...

And based on that, we use that for the most possible case. right now if i'm looking at the information, i have to reduce the credibility or the confidence. >> as we learn about that, we know that the actual words spoken determined what said it when we thought it was "all right. good night." and it was the copilot and now they are not sure. why does it really matter. that's my question for you. >> for it occurred under duress or in another manner, it may change one way or the other, but the pilot in command would not have been making the radio communication. it would have been the opposite pers...