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Structural change, medicare for all and so on. you navigated around that debate to some degree on the stage. do you think you need to draw the lines more brightly in iowa. >> i believe as much as anybody or more that we do need big and polled and transformative change. i do also think that how bold you are is not the same as how left you are. while i'm more progressive than some of the other democrats and also have a view considered moderate certainly compared to bern nip sanders on these issues. to me it's not about finding the right dot on the ideological line i think vote remembers less ide...

Lindsey graham, other individuals who are complicit and not even being willing to step up and say, this is wrong. that is the problem. >> it's hard for me to give credit -- i'm texting you in. it's hard for me to give credit to someone for saying, this is wrong, when no one will say it's wrong enough for him to go. it's an abuse of power. it's substantially wrong, it is -- he is abusing the office. and he's using his platform to bully people who have fought to make this country better, i can't give you credit for saying something is wrong when you're not -- >> you get the last word. >> the rea...

President obama, who had difficult first years because of various circumstances, both of their own making and some inherited, were higher than where president trump is. to my mind, the big question for 2018 is going to be, can the president reach beyond his own tribe? i think he's governed for that 35 to 40% throughout the year. and the great presidents, the ones who have made transformative change, the ones we remember fondly, the ones who trip off the tongue when we think about comparing things back and forth, are those who actually invited other people into the campfire to sit there. and th...

I think he's governed for that 35 to 40% throughout the year. and the great presidents, the ones who have made transformative change, the ones who trip off the tongue when we think about comparing things back and forth, are those who actually invited other people into the campfire to sit there. and the president so far has shown very little inclination to do that. the other question i have, in terms of going to the mid terms, to go to peggy's point, is, to what extent will the political marketplace, which discounts everything, political memories are incredibly short. martin luther king once sa...

President reach beyond his own tribe? i think he's governed for that 35% to 40% throughout the year. and the great presidents, the ones who have made transformative change, the ones who trip off the tongue when we think about comparing things back and forth, are those who actually invited other people into the campfire to sit there. and the president so far has shown very little inclination to do that. the other question i have, in terms of going to the midterms, to go to peggy's point, is, to what extent will the political marketplace, which discounts everything. political memories are incred...