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What about obstruction of justice of that investigation, of campaign and transition interactions, which all makes you wonder about what is it, what is it that the trump administration, the president in particular didn't want people to find in the original investigation? because that's what he was getting in the way of. >> well, yes. we should remember that general flynn was going to ask -- he wanted immunity, and he was going to roll over on people. he wants to provide testimony. >> basically, publicly announced his desire for immunity. >> yes. and he is going to give testimony. he is going th...

Problematic for defending him as this process goes forward. but, you know, he has shown time and time again that he doesn't let stuff go. and he wants to say what he believes and what he does, and he wants to be in some ways his own spokesman. you know, i think you can make an argument that has not served him well as this russia case has gone on. look where we started. we started almost a year ago with an investigation into were russian operatives in communication with anyone associated with the trump campaign. and now look where we are. we're in an investigation of did the president himself c...

>> and richard painter, the president's behavior here has changed the shape of the investigation, as devlin just said. not just from campaign and transition interactions, but now what about obstruction of justice of that investigation, of campaign and transition interactions, which all makes you wonder about what is it, what is it that the trump administration, the president in particular didn't want people to find in the original investigation? because that's what he was getting in the way of. >> well, yes. we should remember that general flynn was going to ask -- he wanted immunity, and he w...