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No, that's not perjury. maybe not 100% accurate and not -- but she wasn't intentionally lying there. and to prove -- if franken is right, that this is a serious perjury case, you have to prove intent. it is a high bar. >> all right. >> it is. ryan, you are absolutely right. perjury is something you have to find the intent and in the lost in translation response is one way to get out of claiming you had done anything intentional and what he did in the letter in response to the questioning and not with leahy but the letter making franken upset today, that's what he was trying to do but you still...

Case, you have to prove intent. it is a high bar. >> all right. >> it is. ryan, you are absolutely right. perjury is something you have to find the intent and in the lost in translation response is one way to get out of claiming you had done anything intentional and what he did in the letter in response to the questioning and not with leahy but the letter making franken upset today, that's what he was trying to do but you still have to understand that the attorney general, while he is certainly a great lawyer, is a figurehead for the department of justice. and the department of justice res on ...