Ones putting aaa ratings on garbage and selling it to your pension fund and your teachers retirement account and legislation preserves that. transparency, secrets bad, transparency good. conflict of interest bad. no conflict of interest good. that's cave language for 4 years old which apparently only our congress does not understand. >> you can catch dylan with more insight on goldman sachs and what's happening with financial reform. the dylan ratigan show at 4:00 p.m. eastern only on msnbc. thank you, dylan for coming on. greatly appreciate it. >> thank you. this is one that would surely ou...