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>> you are a leading conservationist in the country and a go-to guy for the epa. you have a book called "growing america". what ought we to be doing? >> we should all be natural conservationists no matter what side of the aisle you are on or your walk of life. the idea is smart growth. we have 300 million in this country, will have 400 million in 2040 and this is a tremendous amount of pressure on our lands and natural resources. so now is a good time to think about how we're going to grow forward because we will have the growth. we get into transportation issues, energy issues, biomimicry whi...

>> you are a leading conservationist in the country and a go-to guy for the epa. you have a book called "growing america". what ought we to be doing? >> we should all be natural conservationists no matter what side of the aisle you are on or your walk of life. the idea is smart growth. we have 300 million in this country, will have 400 million in 2040 and this is a tremendous amount of pressure on our lands and natural resources. so now is a good time to think about how we're going to grow forward because we will have the growth. we get into transportation issues, energy issues, biomimicry whi...

>> absolutely. it's all about planting, growing and managing more wood than you're harvesting through time. it's not just about the forest and the trees, it's about everything from within, the biodiversity and the ecosystems and wildlife and all the above. >> you write that you're about. >> in the but, you are not against cross. environmentalists are opposed to progress to growth. >> i am not against turkey that i was, you can't do anything about it. it is inevitable. i think at this juncture, what is critical is we think long and hard about how we're going to grow. we definitely need to promo...

Against cross. environmentalists are opposed to progress to growth. it is inevitable. i think at this juncture, what is critical is we think long and hard about how we're going to grow. we definitely need to promote clean energy sources and the block growing a better america, we get into transportation issues. we talk about concepts like industrial symbiosis. >> why is that? that is the study of nature to find better ways to do things for him as. >> you're looking for ways that solutions in nature have come up with that can be applied to humans and to help us grow in a way that is harmonious a...

Finally tonight on "the ed show," as promised, or exclusive interview now with one of the people on the front lines with the battle between wall street and working americans. bart chilton of the commodities futures trading commission, or cftc as it's known, good to have you here on "the ed show." i know our audience appreciates your time. let's start with the basics if we can. your office gave us a chart that shows the number of oil futures contracts rose from 617,000 back in the summer of 2008 to more than 1 million last month. i'm curious, can you prove that that's the cause of high gas pric...