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Characterization. >> this has become a witch hunt, like the president said. if you look at those questions that are being asked, they're trap questions. a first-year prosecutor would do better than that. >> jill wine-banks your reaction to that? >> i think the list of questions he's referring to was drafted by sekulow, as i read it, that the special prosecutor gave some subjects that they wanted to talk about and that sekulow produced a list of questions and that list is a very thorough list, as far as it goes, it's a good start. it's not complete, in my view. but it is a very good start and i...

>> right. he thought somehow we lost every copy of that tape and we had also forgotten what the president said. so no one would remember so he can make up a response that sounds better than what the president actually said. but, in fact, the president said it was this russia thing, that's why i fired him. again, why do you want this guy representing you? i think jonathan is right, of course, that donald trump does surround himself with people who are willing to be loyal and i guess rudy is willing to be loyal to trump, but he's not doing him any good right now. >> rudy giuliani did say at a ce...

I think it's unlikely. so, my thinking about that is that ben carson probably needed to say that. the question is hypothetical. it's irrelevant to this and i'm not going there. and then turn that to something he would rather discuss. he chose to buy into it and i you think in a way, if you are going to be a republican presidential candidate, you are going to run into a lot of sort of tricky trap questions. and you have got to avoid stepping them into them. he stepped into that one. >> irrelevant if it shows that this candidate that carson is not -- he says it's not in the constitution to elect...

Talking about the mueller investigation and talking about the decision that he -- i don't know how to characterize this, but seems to be pretending that he's facing about whether or not to cooperate and recommend an interview to the president. he then went on to call the version a witch hunt, full of trap questions and all that sort of thing. so he sounded like someone who's mind is made up, but it was fascinating on every level including the mueller investigation stuff. >> forgive me if i'm too simplistic about this. but didn't the president flatout say he didn't pay stormy daniels, and you h...

To cooperate and recommend an interview to the president. he then went on to call the version a witch hunt, full of trap questions and all that sort of thing. so he sounded like someone who's mind is made up, but it was fascinating on every level including the mueller investigation stuff. >> forgive me if i'm too simplistic about this. but didn't the president flatout say he didn't pay stormy daniels, and you had to ask michael cohen about it? >> yes. >> and now his lawyer, rudy giuliani, says he paid it? >> not only that. he took it beyond that and said, of course, michael cohen did these thi...