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>> as we get more and more into this case, we're hearing about al shabab and the facebook -- or the tweets about al baghdadi and their allegiance to isis. how much do you think this reaches out of this country, given her background? >> well, her background and his travel patterns of going to saudi arabia. i mean, what we need to take a look at is no matter what terrorist organization it is, whether it's isis, whether it's boko haram, aqap, al shabab, this is a narrow sect of sunni islam which all of those organizations adhere to, and they follow the way in which muhammad and his companions, th...

Enforcement security personnel very concerned and there is a level of sophistication for folks being trap and the travel patterns to pick up, and yet they are getting inspired and instructed from the standpoint of folks being able to communicate with them that we can't pick up. and big concern going forward. >> michael, the fbi had that guy dave bowditch who said that the process of evidence was ongoing, but they were done with the suspects' apartment, but when the media got in there, there were a number of items there. and why would the fbi say that the search is over, and would they want to ...

Isis and radicalized americans. from what we know about the suspects now, and obviously we're still learning by the minutes, is there anything in their profiles, anything that jumps out at all, any risk factors? >> well, we know apparently that he was in contact with other individuals who are investigated suspected of terrorist, that's always somewhat of an indication. we've been talking about travel patterns. i'm not certain that's a necessary -- we don't have isis sympathizers in america, there's no such thing as a common profile. we have teenage girls, we have 40-year-old men. we have peopl...

Counterterrorism official. also terrorism analyst paul cruickshank. thank you for being with us. we have so much to talk about here. let's go to what the president just said. he said "we have to step up our game against lone wolves." phil how do you do that? i imagine social media would be a key component in that fight. >> it's got to be because if you look at traditional intelligence operations for example, intercepting communications from a core al qaeda group to operators in europe and the united states watching travel patterns for example, how they develop cells, these traditional methods ...

Are there any other key leaders they know that they'll put pictures in front of? has baghdadi been there? have any other high-value targets been to visit this guy, been in this area? what else is in syria? what did we miss in this small time we were on the ground? what are his travel patterns? >> what's in it for her to talk? >> you know one of the things i see is they talk about this but a lot of the women that i've seen throughout the middle east are very very smart. they know what's going on. unfortunately at times, they're suppressed. >> by their husbands. >> by the regime by some of their...