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Campaign finance. the last term you could pay yourself back from loans, they say, personally fund-raise in ways that previously been prohibited, that was brought by your colleague did tread crews. what is the way out of the vicious crew? >> you know very well from all your research what the americans for prosperity organization is. it's the koch brothers organization major battleship. attached to it is a 501 c3 so they can launder tax deductible money into this operation. that was called the americans for prosperity foundation. that foundation sued and the six right years on the supreme court,...

Prohibited, that was brought by your colleague did tread crews. what is the way out of the vicious crew? >> what was their goal? what were the quiet secret deals that were entered into in the back rooms? that is what is so bad about this, that the public never gets to see any of this. they just get angry that they feel that they are being cheated by the congress that they won't listen. and of course they won't listen when they've got people the right to 0. 5 billion dollars in checks. >> then there's the court, of course, which is both the route and a product, right? >> it's a vicious cycle. t...