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Nato treaty obligations, the baltic states and poland on russia boards and nato ordered to defend and countries which we don't have similar treaty commitments where we can try to deter the russians but practically speaking, there's little we can do. what you've seen the last few days from general breedlove in brusselss and susan rice, the national security adviser, kind of jaw-boning and warning of russian troop movements and warning of the potential danger that they pose and they are doing this very public warning in part because they have so few real options on the ground. moving the kind of...

I don't see what is going to change. >> do you face this from, yeah, it looks like everything tom and i are saying is probably true, but don't you have to plan for the prospect that they might actually launch one of these missiles and they probably can't get to the u.s. or get to guam or japan or something like that and what do you do? >> you plan for it. but the odds are extremely low because the north koreans know if they were to do such a thing, this would not be just the second korean war, but it would end with north korea being a separate sovereign state. you do it for another reason, to ...

And the south koreans know, in a weird sense, nobody wants north korea to collapse. >> one thing from the chinese, they love north korea so much, they want them to be two of them. that's what they said about germany. until they get out of that mode, i don't see what is going to change. >> if you with are in the security council, it looks like everything tom and i are saying is probably true. but don't you have to plan for the prospect that they might actually launch one of these missiles and they probably can't get to the u.s. or get to guam or something like that, or japan? what do you do? ...

Korea has moved a second midrange missile to its east coast. you know, what sort of message does that send? and how much of these actions are aimed at impressing people in their own country rather than a threat to other countries? >> well, of course, it's always for that domestic audience. but we can say, this is a message that he wants to send to the world. for everybody to see. the u.s. and south korea can have these huge military maneuvers every year but little tiny north korea, the hermit kingdom, can still make a superpower turn around and jump and make moves. why? well listen to victoria...