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>> what's it like for you to come back home and see brothers and sisters with their uniforms on on those engines? >> it's twofold. it is good to see. you have a sense of guilt. for me, i wanted him to be around to see it. >> thank you. the city disputed the finding that discriminatory practices by the fire department were intentional, but after the election of mayor bill de blasio city lawyers settled the discrimination suit. the city hired a chief diversity officer and a diversity advocate. since then, the two have overseen the biggest gains in recruitment in hiring people of color in the dep...

Responders who we lost on september 11th. msnbc correspondent tremane lee and his into america podcast team take a look at the history of black firefighters in new york city, specifically the 12 who died on 9/11 and the struggle for justice and equity for those who carry their legacy. [ siren ] >> of the 343 firefighters who tragically died on 9/11, 12 were black. >> leon smith, great guy. always had a big smile on his face. >> captain paul robertson knew them all. >> we studied together for the captain's exam. >> captain washington helped recruit, train and mentor many of them including keith...

Conversations with people who don't look like us. >> there is more change to be had, to come, this is just the beginning. this is nowhere near the end. >> and one thing that you continue to hear from people who continue to show up to events like this is that it's not just about george floyd. they want the focus to be on policing broadly. people mentioned dante wright who during the trial of george floyd, who was killed by a brooklyn center police officer about 15 minutes from where we stand right now. it's a bigger picture that you hear people mentioning as we mark one year since george floyd ...

Hans, let's start with you. what's the point of the visit? >> well, the president wants to drive his message on criminal justice reform. white house officials and allies the white house think that this presents an opportunity to peel off some african-american voters not just here in columbia, right? the president's down here in south carolina. he's going to win this state. but in battleground states where you have high concentration of african-americans, so that's pennsylvania, that's michigan, that's wisconsin. and they feel, and i stress feel, they feel as though they're cutting through the ...

Her behalf. still, even though there is some good will, there are other folks like the state and naacp saying they were taken off guard by trump's visit. other students i talked to earlier said they take umbridge with the fact that many students weren't invited. according to a number of sources, only ten students from benedict college where the president is speaking right now, only ten were invited. so some say it's a clear curated room of his supporters without much nuance in terms of how people view the fight for reform. >> thank you as always. tremane lee at benedict college. hans nickels a...