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At least 10 to 12 people around the mueller case who are talking. that's a lot of people. >> i just wonder, guy, because mueller said the prosecutors won't bring up collusion, but do you think he can't prove it or its irrelevant when it comes to these particular charges? >> don, you're going to hear it -- here's what you're going to hear next week in opening statements. you're going to hear the charges which detail these expenditures, these antique rugs and all of these millions and millions of dollars, manafort was broke. and that's what the evidence is going to show. now, in order to make mo...

>> i just wonder, guy, because mueller said the prosecutors won't bring up collusion, but do you think he can't prove it or its irrelevant when it comes to these particular charges? >> don, you're going to hear it -- here's what you're going to hear next week in opening statements. you're going to hear the charges which detail these expenditures, these antique rugs and all of these millions and millions of dollars, manafort was broke. and that's what the evidence is going to show. now, in order to make money they have to show -- the government's going to show that he was in tight with trump, h...