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Surprises? we're coming into the conclusion of this and i would think the white house, it's a no brainer to me, that they taught to be represe ought to be represented. >> liz, it strike message the sad fact is that nothing has change d in the last three year. in 2016, the trump campaign sought dirt on clinton from russia and now, post mueller, the trump campaign is seeking dirt on biden in ukraine. and you have republicans defending that. is the fact that the standard now is that foreign help has become acceptable in u.s. elections? >> well, it makes sense though if you look at it from the gop...

Hear from. these are central figures, shan, to the narrative we heard. mick mulvaney, secretary pompeo, john bolton, even the vice president. we are likely not going to hear from them. do you think democrats are risking anything by potentially wrapping this up too soon? are there more people to hear from? >> well, you know, i think to julie's point there's no budging on the hill, if they were to delay by trying to fight longer to get these people, that's not going to budge anybody, either. i think they're making a smart move by trying to push forward. from a trial perspective, as a trial lawye...

And the former campaign manager for president trump corey lewandowski. we've been watching the whole thing and you've commented on it. sort of top line comment is that he is a terrible witness. >> he's a terrible witness. just looking at this from a trial perspective. it's political and not a trial but he's angry, sarcastic and not credible. when asked direct questions, you had a meeting with the president in the oval office. i don't know. what did you say? what page? i mean -- he's obviously dodging the questions he doesn't want to answer but firing off these angry zingers calling eric swalwe...

Days before acquitting him. >> looking at this from a trial perspective. the jury probably looked at it from the view of the officer. and that's what juries have to do. however so many in the african-american communities and poor communities are afraid of the officers who fear them. in another shooting where officer betty shelby was acquitted. she said she was fearful of him. even when people have video, such as the philando castile shooting, even from the that perspective, they are acquitted. >> the castile family, and i don't even know if they have brought it up. the family of philando casti...

There are trials that have come up since. i think of casey anthony and george zimmerman and people use the term trial of the century. the o.j. simpson trial was indeed the trial of the century. how do you think the coverage of that really changed media? >> well, it was a media-created event. a trial that was supposed to last perhaps a month, month and a half, really extended into most of the year. in fact, it was the longest sequestered jury in the history of california. jury members actually sat for 265 days in sequester quarters. it was a remarkable event from a trial perspective. from a med...