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So he had no really good reason to believe it except that he has this call with president zelensky of ukraine the day after robert mueller testifies on his report of his probe, and, so, it's -- >> let me push back on that, though. just in a logical frame, and i say push back, but it's not like you wrote these articles. but if the argument is keep it simple and post-mueller, yes, donald trump did this. but you could also argue there was evidence in the mueller probe which was substantial evidence and five incidents. this brings it back as your answer just did. aren't the democrats wringing back...

Surprises? we're coming into the conclusion of this and i would think the white house, it's a no brainer to me, that they taught to be represe ought to be represented. >> liz, it strike message the sad fact is that nothing has change d in the last three year. in 2016, the trump campaign sought dirt on clinton from russia and now, post mueller, the trump campaign is seeking dirt on biden in ukraine. and you have republicans defending that. is the fact that the standard now is that foreign help has become acceptable in u.s. elections? >> well, it makes sense though if you look at it from the gop...

Does get to articles of impeachment and how badly they performed post mueller. >> democratic aides are really focusing on trying to make the members have a very narrow view of what they want to get out of these public hearings. that narrow view isn'tgiuliani . their focus is about quid pro quo. i was told that people are very happy, democrat aides are very happy that this is a house intel doing these hearings because it's a smaller committee. you have 13 democrats instead of 24 in house judiciary. that being said there are lessons learned from mueller which is that people make up their minds i...

Trump who approached ukraine. the russia investigation examined a lot of contacts 150 contacts mostly among aides and advisers with the russians. in this instance what is public facing is trump and rudy giuliani driving a ukrainian oppo operation in the russia investigation the mueller report sites donald trump jr.'s ignorance of the laws and accepting foreign aid. post mueller, the whole country is educated in the illegality of election interference. the russia investigation he was a candidate. now with ukraine trump is the american president has the -- of the presidency. in the question from...

You were here the day andy mccabe said he opened a full-field investigation into donald trump around these questions because the conduct was so in line with vladimir putin's national security objectives. has anything changed? i mean, post-mueller, donald trump went to the g8 and advocated for putin to be invited, to be welcomed back into the g8. i mean, isn't his conduct exactly in line with the kind of conduct that raised suspicions in the first place? >> well, not only has nothing changed, you could assert that it's actually gotten worse. that the evidence continues to pile up that there is ...