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Whatever rules it wants to set. >> and the republicans have the majority. >> that's right. now there are some factors in the democrats favor that give them some leverage. they haven't yet sent the articles of impeachment. first they need to pass them then they would transmit to the senate. there's some question about how long to wait. if the president is serious he wants the opportunity to defend himself in the senate, then he want that is to happen quickly. the house could say we're waiting to make sure that the trial process is going to be fair. and given how silent the constitution is on wh...

Challenge was to try to be apolitical at the most political time in modern american history. >> one of the problems of the i.g. report, i suppose, is that those who are critical of this administration or critical of the fbi are all going to find something in it that they can point to and say, aha. i'm wondering, tim, more broadly, what does this report mean for the country? >> oh, boy. it's a nightmare. the horowitz report plus the future durham report, this is only going to further undermine american respect for institutions. the most recent pugh poll, i think it was pugh, put that respect at...

Depths. >> the body had garbage bags wrapped around it, and you can see the skin dripping off of his bones, how his eyeballs had been eaten by creatures in the sea, and how you thought to yourself, "this is someone's son." >> john lennon was locked up in rikers island on unrelated drug charges when he read an article in the daily news. it mentioned on february 11th, 2002, a laundry bag with a body in it had washed ashore on plumb beach. you know, i'll never forget it, of course. and that's when, you know, it all hits you. it was like, "oh, [bleep]. now there's gonna be an investigation." >> wh...

Keep their jobs. so we have that. when we look at what's going to happen in the senate, it's all up for grabs because the president is going to be -- after he's impeached i think just out of control, unhinged and he will change his mind 18 times as far as what he wants out of the trial process. does he want a short trial? does he want a long trial? and who knows what else can happen between now and when that trial starts. >> that's such an interesting point because the politics and then as the principle, if you like, alan. that's a great point that the president who manages to survive impeachm...

A great question depending entirely how the senate decides to approach the structure of the impeachment. the trial process. on the merits, really it shouldn't be necessary for the whistle-blower to testify at this point, because -- >> so much what this person said has been corroborated? >> exactly. at this point who the whistle-blower was is less relevant than all other information developed since then. >> how about attorney general, bill barr, he contradicted his own justice department's, ig report giving weight to trump conspiracies? are you concerned the doj is no longer independent? >> wel...