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And trying to be hopeful about that. if they want to make a counterargument, then the president needs to allow some of these other witnesses to show up and he needs to cough up these documents that can shed light. and if this is actually what the president thought at the time and there's evidence of that, then fine, the congress can consider that both with respect to impeachment and if they impeach then with respect to the trial. maybe that'll -- maybe that's where this will come out. maybe in the trial setting they'll have to come forward with some of this -- some of these witnesses and some ...

Witnesses i have ever seen on the stand. if this was a trial setting with a jury, the jury -- he would not be their favorite witness at this point he's doing very little, i think, to try to participate in good faith in the proceedings whether it's contempt is a very close call judgment that has to do with litigating this issue of the proper scope of executive privilege. i think the president has stretched this beyond any possible understanding of what it's really meant to cover it's not, as ron klain said earlier today, meant to be a president bagman privilege it's really meant to cover legiti...

To get all the facts here. there will be no rush to judgment as democrats are accusing republicans of doing. i very much believe in allowing people to be heard. but i am not going to be played and i'm not going to have my intelligence insulted by the michael avenattis of the world. i will not be a participant in wholesale character assassination that defies credibility. at this point dr. ford has not been able to corroborate her story. rachel mitchell, the chief of the special victims division of the maricopa county attorney's office in arizona, she has been hired to question dr. blasey tomorr...

All of the questioning instead of the republican senators themselves? >> they're turning this into a trial setting. she agreed to come and answer the questions and address the issues raised by the members of the committee, not to be come and put on trial. it is completely inappropriate. >> republican senator lisa murkowski, who is not a member of the committee, says an fbi investigation could answer the questions about these accusations and she thinks perhaps the second accuser should also come and testify as well. why doesn't the republican leadership seem to be listening to her? >> i think t...

Roy cohn who was elected by no one, participating in the questioning of witnesses and being rough about it. >> yeah, that's exactly right. there is a precedent for this. and it could politically help republicans if they had an outside counsel. it would give them a little bit of independence from the situation. it would prevent the appearance of an independent investigation. it could create more of a trial setting. it could make it seem like dr. ford is on trial as opposed to sharing her testimony in a hearing setting. so it's very dicey and these are all the dynamics that the republican leader...