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Voters. voters certainly want to cut the deficit. they're worried about the debt. but they don't want you to mess with the programs that they really like. that's always the difficulty. and, you know, ryan has said that one of the strengths that he has, why he's been reelected in a more democratic district, is that, you know, folks he talks to like the fact that he tells it to them straight and he levels with them about what the choices are and some of the pain that they have to experience. well, we'll see how that plays on a national scale. look, he was somebody who was a proponent of privatiz...

We tax normal earned income. that would go away under ryan's plan. it want to go away under romney's plan, but ryan's plan. >> which way are they going towards, getting awayam capital gains? >> to be fair, romney opposes that. but it is worth saying, that ryan, the that tax, it costs about $4 trillion to $5 trillion over 10 years that by the way after you pay for extending the bush taxes which nobody explained how you pay for in the first place. now you are dealing with 5 trillion to $9 trillion on tax breaks. ryan doesn't do as much on medicaid. he softened it in the second iteration of his b...

Everything you said is obviously true and i believe in it. but here's one tricky part, we have the proudest point i think in "the wall street journal"/nbc poll, the question, do you think the country's going in the right direction, wrong direction, and what these two guys are offering today is a different direction. how can you sell if you're obama and biden the same direction we're on right now when only about 30 some% of people think it's the right direction? how do you do that? >> first of all -- first of all, i think the american people are fair. i think they understand that the president ...

Souped up version of the bush trickle-down theory. if you look at their plan, chris, they don't ask one penny more from folks making a million dollars a year to help reduce our deaf set. how do they reduce the deficit in they sock it to everybody else. they sock it to seniors on medicare and medicaid. they cut education. they cut investments in our infrastructure and things needed to help the economy grow and be competitive. again, ask nothing of the folks like mitt romney, but ask everything of the rest of the country. >> you have a unique perspective, not only are you a leading democrat in t...

>> well, look chris, i get along very well with paul ryan personally. we work on the budget committee together, but i strongly disagree with his vision for the country. and i think this is sharpened the debate in a way that will help the president, because at the end of the day what mitt romney is demonstrating through this choice is that he wants to follow an economic agenda that's good for people like mitt romney. at the expense of the rest of the country. and if you look at the ryan/romney plan, that's what it does. and i don't think people want to go back to a souped up version of trickle-...