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Mine. "the new york times" reports ukrainian bomb technicians discovered mines near kharkiv. traditional land wires explode after a trip wire is stepped on. but these will detonate when someone is walking by and can tell the difference between humans and animals. joining us, pentagon press secretary, retired rear admiral john kirby. good morning. good to have you with us. >> thank you. >> give us your assessment, if you would. we have been talking about the retreat of the russian troops from kyiv. a bit of good news, but on the retreat we have seen some of the worst atrocities on the european ...

The movement and the increase since the break-up of the soviet union of nato forces has been because of precisely russia's unpredictability, its invasion of georgia in 2008, its annexation of crimea in 2014, and it's created a fear of the eastern allies that russia is in an expansion mood and they need greater forces to defend themselves. it hasn't deployed in numbers. it's been sensitive to what russia has sent. it's produced a trip wire force of several hundred troops, fighter aircraft into the baltic states. this sort of light touch of what nato has done is keep a significant number of reso...

However? will the u.s. have to give more concrete concessions or incentives to make this process move to a peaceful resolution? >> the united states and our allies have been clear that there is a lot to talk about when it comes to reciprocal interest-based security parameters in europe we can talk about missiles and missile placements as we have historically with intermediate nuclear capable missiles we can talk about the size and scope of exercises. we can talk about greater transparency and risk reduction measures to reduce the possibility of unintended conflict. it is ultimately going to be...

Force. it was a trip wire. if russia was to cross over and trip that wire, other forces, nato forces could be rushed to the border. what is happening now? that trip wire is being bolstered. nato is putting itself on a higher level of readiness for whatever may happen. particularly in those baltic nations who are quite isolated. they lived under the soviet union for so long. they're very concerned about their size and location and what russia is maneuver to do now . he's going to see this as a worsening of the environment he was worried about. >> thank you both.

The big significance is that we're publicly showing our cards a bit here with our possibility military deployment and possible nato joint task force in this particular situation. so normally what happens in a case like this is un ipts are issuing a warning order, told they need to get ready to deploy, it is pretty obvious from admiral kirby's press conference and his remarks that, that warning order has gone out but an actual deployment order which sens troops forward has not gone out. and that would be the kicker. that would be the one catalyst that you would need to move units forward. that ...