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Approve such a proposal, because we don't really understand the parameters of it right now. and i don't think that it's been decided by any other nation right now to donate aircraft to ukraine. i think there's at least one nation that we're talking about that's thinking about that but i don't think they've made a national decision to do it so there's an awful lot you would have to work through here. how many would you back fill with? where would they come from? how long would they be provided? all of that is stuff we're talking about right now and no decisions have been made. but again, import...

President. the reality is, that deal then becomes a back door for russia to enter the global economy. iran will money launder everything for them and turn around and take all of the cash they're making and buy weapons from russia that they will use to threaten allies with and that will be another cash cow for putin. i think most people know this. pushing ahead for this deal, i think really jeopardizes this administration even more. they've done a decent job in reaffirming to nato. you can't put american troop there is as a trip wire but to demonstrate that you're willing to forward defend nato...

Response should be if that happens? >> well, thanks for having me. and what we've heard not only from the president today but from congress yesterday were words like a more forceful response. and so i think what we've left mr. putin wondering, is this that trip wire that would bring more direct involvement of nato troops, but it wasn't described in public, so that is left for him to worry about. >> susan glasser, there is a huge focus this week on the threat of russia using weapons of mass destruction against ukraine or nato. and also what kaitlin pointed out, the possibility if russia were to...

President as we have been talking about ad-libbed the line the white house is now walking back, quote, for god's sake, this man cannot remain in power, this man being vladimir putin. but isn't the president saying the quiet part out loud? >> look, i mean, the totality what the president has been doing is trying to stop that man's outrageous aggression against ukraine, and he's been putting on really good global leadership. i think respected a lot as i hear directly from ambassadors from multiple european countries and unifying free democracy. i think the president is making all the right moves...

Yet to deliver. and so it is very important for our nation to bear down now and make sure that these fighting forces get everything that they need. >> what is the trip wire in your view? you know, the argument against a no-fly zone would put u.s. nato forces into direct potential conflict with russian forces. u.s. nato jets nose to nose with russian jets. missile systems perhaps shooting down russian jets. that was taken off the table. the migs were seen as too much of an aggressive step, that russia might read as direct nato involvement in the war. but u.s. and nato made the decision to send ...