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Breaker for you? >> it's in our constitution that we should join nato. but we're not invited yet or the next ten years. so it's not on the table. it was a principle position for putin to show that he can do the things that he can just invade the country and do what he wants. he wants a military victory but hi won't get it for sure. >> sandra: >> neil: so the notion that you might not ever become a member of nato but vladimir putin and his trips go, what would you think of that? >> i think that after this invasion, it's an uncertain. it's clear that russia is a threat to us. always was. it was ...

As ann kind of put it earlier, it was, as trips go, has been the backwards day, where you start in saudi, graceful to your host, gracious, and then you go and read the riot act to the allies. >> that's exactly right. and as freaked out as we've been here in the united states about russian interference in our election, they are much more freaked out in western europe which is obviously geographically closer to russia and has been also victimized by russian interference in elections in politics for longer period of time. so, i think what they most wanted to know was that the united states was go...