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Win. we'll see if he has that ability in the early states. that will be the marker. martha: niece numbers are so spread across these candidates. like people on that side of the fence are searching for person that will really grab them and grab some momentum and run with it. fascinating to watch. debate will be defining moment in early stages of all of this. >> i think forum will be excellent. martha: for asking all the candidates, are you going to dot forum? we appreciate that. we're looking forward to a great day across the board. thank you, bret. bill: see you in cleveland. new details on th...

And you want to talk about jobs? what about pink slips for a couple hundred thousand troops to start? how does that help the economy? and recently there was spectacle about a month ago. a defense ceo went to the hill and said, if you do these cuts there will be 2 million jobs lost in the defense industry. didn't say a word about troop cuts. nobody on the hill pinned them down and said common, where are those 2 million job losses going to come from? because it was a lot. we'll walk out with our eyeo eyes wide open, go into the next four years and we'll slash troops, put veterans out of work and...

We have had ships that couldn't sail because they didn't have fuel. >> reporter: others argue the new proposed troop cuts aren't that deep. >> i do not think it's a problem to cut the ground forces by 100,000 at this moment in history. that is about how much they grew after 9/11. >> president obama is not the first to want a leaner, more agile army. donald rumsfeld did at the start of the bush administration. the iraq war was supposed to be won with shock and awe. the pentagon has not said explicitly how deep the troop cuts would be. yesterday, the president outlined the strategy. in february ...

To be qualified as pilots. we have had ships that couldn't sail because they didn't have fuel. >> reporter: others argue the new proposed troop cuts aren't that deep. >> i do not think it's a problem to cut the ground forces by 100,000 at this moment in history. that is about how much they grew after 9/11. >> president obama is not the first to want a leaner, more agile army. donald rumsfeld did at the start of the bush administration. the iraq war was supposed to be won with shock and awe. the pentagon has not said explicitly how deep the troop cuts would be. yesterday, the president outlined...

To be qualified as pilots. we have had ships that couldn't sail because they didn't have fuel. >> reporter: others argue the new proposed troop cuts aren't that deep. >> i do not think it's a problem to cut the ground forces by 100,000 at this moment in history. that is about how much they grew after 9/11. >> president obama is not the first to want a leaner, more agile army. donald rumsfeld did at the start of the bush administration. the iraq war was supposed to be won with shock and awe. the pentagon has not said explicitly how deep the troop cuts would be. yesterday, the president outlined...