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2015-2016. this appears to be something that's been building up over time with him, and the opportunity to sort of do to cope pardons that once seemed to be appropriate. his regard for generals, that might be an entirely different thing. >> harris: what do you think of these moves? >> i think each one is unique, harris. chief gallagher, that was a slam-dunk. it was a terrible prosecution. he was found innocent of the major charges, and basically he was convicted of doing a trophy photograph and lost a strike. giving a chief with 16 years service back a strike, that makes sense. golsteyn is a l...

Just give the money to those involved in that? why do you need to actually get in a car, take some kind of assault rifle or whatever it may be, i can ask you what you're going to use, and shoot a black rhino and as you have done many times on your facebook, pose for a trophy photograph with a dead animal? that's what they say. >> okay. that's what they say. the reality is, these animals in this situation, in namib irk a,the ministry environment of tourism, have earmarked a select group of animals that are killers. they're killing the other rhinos. they're actually the biggest killers of rhinos...

Why do you need to actually get in a car, take some kind of assault rifle or whatever it may be, i can ask you what you're going to use, and shoot a black rhino and as you have done many times on your facebook, pose for a trophy photograph with a dead animal? that's what they say. >> okay. that's what they say. the reality is, these animals in this situation, in namib irk a,the ministry environment of tourism, have earmarked a select group of animals that are killers. they're killing the other rhinos. they're actually the biggest killers of rhinos in the area. and so throughout -- they put thi...

I think people, piers, they don't actually know the situation on the ground. i really don't. i think if people knew what's going on and understood it better, i think the vast majority of people wouldn't be that way. wouldn't feel that way, piers. i really don't. >> here's what -- have you read all the reaction for the last couple of hours to try and get a sense of why people are so enraged? here's what the common theme is. if you wanted to contribute money to help conservation in that area, to help other animals and rye knows an so on, why not just give the money to those involved in that? why...