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Appropriate punishment for that, for killing others? >> you know, i think in those cases we have to be careful. i would bet that kirk would say at the time he was prosecuted and i bet the 125 other people on death row would say at the time they were prosecuted, the prosecutors, the public at large were saying this is a very clear cut case of guilt, this is a person that's definitely, absolutely unquestionably guilty. in the excitement and anxiety and upset of what are unquestionably brutal terrible crimes, mistakes are made and we know that. there's no question about that. not only are people ...

The death penalty, it's something different and you have to be more careful and in my view we shouldn't have the death penalty. >> i'm a person who bheeelievese i'm goining to dream about t that steaka. death penalty can be a deterrent i'i'm going toto dream about thatat tiramisu.u. and it should be. that's why we need reform. i understand what happened in whwhat a nightht, huh? maryland last week. think four years ago we had the but, u um, can thehe test drivie be over nonow? d.c. sniper who killed ten head b back to the d dealership?p? people, who had the whole region [ mamale announcncer ] ...

Getting tougher sentences. actually it's the opposite. victim characteristics seem to matter. if the victim is nonwhite you'll get away with less of presumption, which is a bigger scandal. >> look at the incarceration rates, come on. >> victim characteristics it would be worse. i think that my own view is that when you're looking at the mass incarceration problem, the troy davis case is in my opinion appalling and tragic but also part of a larger failure on the part of your legislators, your elected legislators who are the people who, for example, you have corruption and collusion at crime lab...

Interest on any day, but with the troy davis case and the debate over possible innocence there, it draws a lot of attention to your case. what happened here? >> i think what we can say is that we investigated a case from beginning to end and in that process turned up information that they were able to pass along that shed light on the innocence of these individuals. after that process they sent this case forward to a three-judge panel and there was a seven-day hearing where the panel listen and believe they got a fair hearing and the judges made a decision that the individuals had proven by cl...

The troy davis case is filled with reasonable doubt and the possibility of putting a man to g death for a crime he did not commit should scare us to the bone. the other state-sanctioned murder of the week, concluded just hours before troy davis', and it took place in texas, which one could call the murder capital. this situation is more morally loaded. a white supremacist chained a black man to the back of his pickup truck by his ankles and dragged him for miles. he was decapitated. this killer said he had no regrets and would do it again. if any situation calls for the death penalty, it's thi...