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You know, the pull of a charismatic demagogue like trump, that's where they are. so, you know, they don't make great choices... there will always be the pull of a demagogue, of demagogues, won't there? well, yes. so the other thing i guess to say is that, you know, in a way, that's the wisdom of the american founding fathers. you don't rely on simply having good leaders. you have a system of checks and balances that limit the power of anybody that's elected, even if they are legitimately elected. and that's why, you know, having an independent judiciary, that's why having a free media, that's ...

The pull of a demagogue, of demagogues, won't there? well, yes. so the other thing i guess to say is that, you know, in a way, that's the wisdom of the american founding fathers. you don't rely on simply having good leaders. you have a system of checks and balances that limit the power of anybody that's elected, even if they are legitimately elected. and that's why, you know, having an independent judiciary, that's why having a free media, that's why having a, you know, a separately elected legislature, you know, are important components of a true constitutional system. and i think that while ...

Well, yes. so the other thing i guess to say is that, you know, in a way, that's the wisdom of the american founding fathers. you don't rely on simply having good leaders. you have a system of checks and balances that limit the power of anybody that's elected, even if they are legitimately elected. and that's why, you know, having an independent judiciary, that's why having a free media, that's why having a, you know, a separately elected legislature, you know, are important components of a true constitutional system. and i think that while trump was in office, he couldn't do a lot of the thin...

Of republicans believe that the 2020 election was stolen. it's based on a total lie. and yet, because of the, you know, the pull of a charismatic demagogue like trump, that's where they are. so, you know, they don't make great choices... there will always be the pull of a demagogue, of demagogues, won't there? well, yes. so the other thing i guess to say is that, you know, in a way, that's the wisdom of the american founding fathers. you don't rely on simply having good leaders. you have a system of checks and balances that limit the power of anybody that's elected, even if they are legitimate...