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Criticisms of hillary clinton, we put the poll numbers up at the start of this segment. it jumped at me looking at the swing states of iowa colorado or virginia. 56% was the number in those states saying they don't consider hillary clinton honest and trustworthy, do you? >> i'm -- i run on my political career as trust chafee. when i started as a city councilman, i don't -- the voters of rhode island always know you can trust chafee. i'm going to run on my own record. not on senator clinton's record. we'll have a lively debate in the primaries. al whether she has credibility, that iraq war vote...

Joining me now, rhode island's democratic governor, lincoln chafee. governor chafee, you're not involved in any of that corruption and ran on a platform of trying to rout it out but i want to read a quote to you from john laughlin. he said this is a new category even for us, even for rogues island. how do you govern in a state that has this one could say real difficult burden to overcome, which is this idea that it's eternally corrupt? >> well, we're cleaning it up and having these convictions and these investigations and these raids are all part of cleaning it up. yes, we're going through a t...