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But if you break it down among independents, ben carson is actually beating her by double-digits, 37-43%. that struggle with independent voters, we talked about the great october that hillary clinton had. it's certainly true with democratic voters. she's expanded her lead there, but still some work to do with independents. >> and i think what we have to look for here is she has a trust gap. this has been something that has come up repeatedly in numerous polls. hillary clinton had to do more than just convincing democrats to come out in the polls for her. she has to convince these independents,...

Goal is to stop these killings of unarmed black citizens every time they have these encounters with law enforcement. so yes, we want trials, we want convictions, we want due process. we want there to be a disruption of the thing that makes black folks feel like a threat and makes it so these encounters are more dangerous than they have to be and are frequently deadly. that's not acceptable. >> so, chief, can you respond to that? i think that's an important part of an entire movement here that says, yes, we want justice on the back end but the front end, we want to be safe in interactions with ...

Time do you spend discussing those controversies, versus your own vision? >> well, there's no question, but that these are real problems for hillary clinton. and for her campaign. and they are real problems for the country. i think it's a real issue when you have a secretary of state who has a back door way for various people and for governments to make contributions to things she's interested in. whether that's her husband's interests or whether that's her foundation. this is a real problem. and i think people are having a hard time trusting hillary clinton. the idea that she would erase the ...

And gave an unannounced paid speech to ebay. there were be surprises but we're very close to a clinton launch. >> thank you both for being with me. appreciate it. >> thanks jose. >> thanks. developing now minutes ago the national urban league released its 2015 report on the state of black america. it comes at critical time amid battles over voting rights economic disparity and growing trust gap between african-americans and law enforcement around the country. the report asks "so what is the state of black america in 2015? 'in short, black america remains in crisis we see justice challenged a...

Force, what would you say? let's not indict all police officers here. but this is what i think the police need. >> first of all, we believe that the existing judicial system works. the grand jury system and police review boards in certain cities have shown some promise. the bottom line is, rank and file police officers have always wanted more training. and welcome that training. i don't believe that -- under rrent economic times with the huge reduction in law enforcement around this country that training has kept up. i also don't believe that there's a systemic problem in law enforcement. the ...