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Game to ours, guess what, joe, we have now lowered our game to theirs. >> are we respected abroad? >> we lost credibility abroad. everybody used to watch what's their reaction, what are they going to say, they cared about america's reaction and no one cares anymore. i was just in turkey and no one cares about america's opinion anymore at the moment. we did lose moral ground. >> that's a big change. here is the president in the interview about the trustworthiness of the north korean dictator. >> do you trust him? >> i do trust him, yeah, i trust him. that doesn't mean i can't be proven wrong. >...

It really could rewrite the domestic contract in america which amazingly it did and you contrast that to what i'm about to play which is donald trump having only the most cursory understanding of reagan. he'll plagiarize the slogans but when it comes to america's place in the world, he does seem genuinely uninterested and that seems like a hindrance. take a look. >> i do trust him, yeah. i trust him. that doesn't mean i can't be proven -- >> why would you trust him. >> if i didn't i wouldn't say that to you. wouldn't that be -- >> remember what reagan said, trust but verify. >> sure, i know. i...

Because they don't trust him, wow. >> that's absolutely remarkable. from what we know of this book, it certainly fits in the broad pattern of things that have been written about the president before and reported by networks like cnn. i think what's different is, a, the level of detail and the level of, as you said, crazy town, that sense of chaos is probably more heightened than we knew. and also, i think it's much, much harder for president trump and his allies to push back against somebody like bob woodward who has a stellar reputation in this town for doing exactly this kind of thing. when ...

It's everyone who's ever doubted donald, who ever disagreed, who ever challenged him. it is the ultimate revenge to become the most powerful man in the universe. >> to state the obvious, which is part of my job these days, mike, being entrusted with the nuclear codes and leading the united states is an act of public service, is not supposed to be chiefly thought of as a chance for personal revenge. >> he sure can pick 'em, can't he? where does he find these people? he's obsessed with building a wall. he needs to build one around the oval office because, ari, how far are we from people getting ...

Provided that the parameters are set in a way that's not unfavorable to him. and it can't be a trap. they have to treat him respectfully and they have to do it with a lot of professionalism, not just go in there and do some kind of surprise attack. >> do you believe as someone who's interacted with him, and you have been favorable to him -- >> yes. >> -- that he will be accurate to the u.s. committees about a matter that he has appeared to prejudge and been defensive about, saying this is all garbage? >> well, i think he -- listen, you have to sit down with the person. he's a very honest indiv...