provided that the parameters are set in a way that's not unfavorable to him. and it can't be a trap. they have to treat him respectfully and they have to do it with a lot of professionalism, not just go in there and do some kind of surprise attack. >> do you believe as someone who's interacted with him, and you have been favorable to him -- >> yes. >> -- that he will be accurate to the u.s. committees about a matter that he has appeared to prejudge and been defensive about, saying this is all garbage? >> well, i think he -- listen, you have to sit down with the person. he's a very honest individual, very forthright, a man of grave integrity. i think that if they work it out, it would be a real boon. i think you'll find out there isn't that much to it. at least that's what i feel. >> that much to the idea that this was an espionage operation rather than wikileaks saying however many governments are mad at it, they often upset material