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He's not in the same category of people who are, quote, subjects in the investigation. but he is now someone who is going to have -- i mean the thing that i think i would find sort of terrifying, even if i were the most innocent person in the universe, and that may be the case of jared kushner, to have -- while i'm working in the white house, to have the fbi going through what i've been doing would really spook me. >> well, right. and also -- >> and it should. >> one of the dynamics, one of the things that kushner -- one of the reasons he's thrived is because he's apparently the only person th...

Back-biting him. kushner is the one person that he trusts. >> and it's family first has been the rule. >> and now he has reason not to trust kushner, which throws a kind of psychological wrench into the entire thing. >> every discussion going forward means -- every discussion going forward that trump has with kushner, he's got to be thinking, crap, the fbi could depose me on this. the fbi could ask jared what we talked about in the pursuit of this investigation, and i think there are some things about kushner's business interests such as there are folks in china basically selling to chinese in...