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Clearance holders should always demonstrate trust worthiness, honesty, reliability, discretion, and sound judgment as well as freedom from allegiances and potential for coercion. is that right? and yet the white house counsel did not understand why the department of justice was concerned? >> well, to be fair to mr. mcgann, i think the issue that he raised, that he wasn't clear on why we cared that michael flynn had lied to the vice president and others. >> i think that's so clear. i can't, and the president had told, president obama had told the incoming president-elect two days after the elec...

Of confidence in the fbi. so he may be pitting himself against an institutions that his base actually has quite a bit of confidence in. >> what about those evangelical voters because i think there's a moral question when it comes to the president's honesty and trust worthiness. how could there be fallout based on what director comey says? >> we talked about a moral character in this election, and it turns out that evangelic evangelicals -- even if he had to break some rules and maybe even lie a little bit to get there. so we're actually seeing something quite different from evangelicals as a w...

Investigations and it is having an impact on her numbers. she not start out strong on honesty and trust worthiness. we have seen with all of the things that have come out in the last two weeks, this is damaging to her. in the end, i will tell you, i don't think the race will turn on honesty and trust, but i think it puts her in a precarious position. that's why her numbers have slipped. when i looked at it before the show, there was a one in front of it. yesterday, there was a two in front of it. no question the race is tighter. >> for the past three months, in the poll of polls, hillary clint...

To say he made unwanted advances on him. his honesty numbers have gone up. how do you explain it? >> i was shocked to read these numbers. i guess i explain it and this is why president obama has been on the campaign trail. saying look, there are people out there, particularly men actually that just don't want to vote for a woman. people that don't see secretary clinton as someone as trust worthy. that is what we see reflected in the numbers. >> you are seeing sexism? >> i'm interpreting this as a little bit sexism for sure. i know donald trump and secretary clinton both of them were equally di...

Hillary clinton. so i think it's important. i think there is a notion of hillary clinton's campaign with hispanic voters turning out in florida and in arizona. even in north carolina that could ultimately be decisive for her. i think this business, because i agree with ron, the other thing that is strong for donald trump is not only is he really punching at the wound of her trustworthiness, but the idea do you think anything will get done in washington. if she is being investigated and if there is so much turmoil, that is a salient argument to make as change agent. >> for somebody to compete w...