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Perhaps more so now in public. and i don't know if this is a negative spin on this, maybe because he feels even more frustrated, he's trying to get not to the point where he's giving up, but he's trying to figure out what he can do. he was very explanatory in this interview. not a lot of fight. there's still a lot of fights to be had, even about saving obama care, but it was really stunning to me. he talked about persistence and the connection between a president and the public and that motivating persistence, but that's different than fighting. >> about why he would continue to fight. and as ...

I don't know if this is a negative spin on this. maybe because he feels even more frustrated. he's ftrying to figure out what he can do. he was very splan tory. there's still a lot of fights to be had. but he talked about persistence and a connection queen the president and the public and that motivating persistence, but that's different than fighting. >> comparing politics to rolling a boulder up the hill is a little different from the way he began his life in politic, like with popping a champagne cork. this is tuff stuff. but he showed his own motivation. he said i remember every day. >> he...

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