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What james comey is saying or just get kind of a tune-in factor of people paying attention to how he's trying to outplay him? >> i think there's a little bit of both. this president is someone who absolutely is a showman. he's someone who wants to be the person who has the final word on a lot of issues. he's also someone who likes talking to the media and likes being able to explain himself and likes being able to spin his narrative and tell his side of the story. i think there's that going on. he really wants to counter in the same way that james comey was able to give that big hearing, the o...

These reasons to think the numbers may be 5 million to 10 million. 15 million is a record for democratic party in history. you think about in 2007, 2 million or 3 million. the highest rated debate ever on cnn for a democratic debate, 8 million. the idea we have so many people tuning in for a trumpless debate, something is going on. it's not just trump. it's hillary clinton. we shouldn't underestimate what a star she is. she's attempting a comeback w. we saw her so close to the nomt nation in 2007. she's coming back. bernie sanders has a big fan base and we saw them, too. >> huge tune-in factor...

Frustration with washington and the failure of the government in washington to govern well. and it's being translated into admiration for figures who basically are outside of washington who are taking positions which are clearly outside the norm of typical american politics, such as bernie sanders. whether or not that carries through to the nomination, to us nominating folks of that or those views, i still have deep reservations that that will not occur. i suspect that when people walk into the voting booth, they are not going to want to throw their vote away and vote for somebody who can lead...