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Now, we don't know whether or not mike flynn, national security adviser who'd secretly been on the turkish government's payroll, we don't know if he's the one who put in that request early on in the trump administration to reconsider extraditing that turkish guy. but we do now know thanks to nbc news that robert mueller is investigating that. "mueller's team is also examining whether flynn's" -- excuse me. "whether flynn attempted to orchestrate the removal of this turkish cleric from the united states to turkey in exchange for millions of dollars." oh. the headline from that nbc story is they...

Transition team -- we don't know. but "the new york times" is reporting that he had. so let's not forget circle back to mike pence, the vice president, who has avoided a lot of attention. but he in fact was the head of donald trump's transition team. so if he truly didn't know about this at the time, that also raises big question marks i think for everyone. so let's not forget that. >> ken, i want to get your interpretation of this white house denial about michael flynn telling the then future white house counsel that he was under investigation. he said they deny that he said he that he was un...

I mean, that is the issue. i want to add somethi owhat indira just said which is a great summation of his wk on behalf of this dutch company owned by a turkish guy. we actually reported -- it didn't get a ton of attention at the time -- but this turkish guy that owns this company that paid michael flynn more than $500,000 to lobby for him actually has deep ties to vladimir putin. that was revealed in a 2009 lawsuit. so there is a lot more there than just the very fine way the white house issued that denial. i would agree with you it certainly leaves a lot of wiggle room, and it's consistent wi...