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Liz: >> proving again to be a leader, true leader, urn pressure. and it has been quite striking. but when you see those images of what the russians have cone -- and, by the way, these are international media, independent people on the ground who have been eyeballing this and confirming it. this isn't just ukraine. of course, you know the russians are saying fake news, fake news -- howard: yeah. >> but i would argue as far as the weapons delivery is concerned, the ukrainians just used an anti-aircraft missile system given to them by the allies that shot down a russian plane. this is one of the ...

If he puts out one of his flanks and fights from the mean pa river to the east, i think he's going to be in pretty good shape. then he's got to go into conflict resolution, turn to the u.n. and say, okay, now what are with some -- this is not a nato fight because there are no nato forces there. ukraine is not a member of nato, so article v doesn't apply, an attack on one is an attack on all. is so they're on hair own, and it's unfortunate because they're facing an overwhelming amount of forces in the russian army. eric: the clock is ticking. the secretary of state meeting with sergey lavrov ne...