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Jefferson county where a lot of the voters are minority voters, african-american voters. garrett, that can't help the party's image of being an inclusive party and not just being a party for older, white men. >> no, of course not. there is a racial tinge to these remarks of roy moore and how unlikely the turnout models turned out the way they did. yeah. he was an exceptionally flawed candidate and drove these strange turnout models, not election irregularity other than irregular candidate and talking about steve bannon and his role in this and minor and towards the end, the's no person in amer...

Is that true? >> that's thougnot true either because it goes to your turnout models. he also enjoyed -- what was it -- obama was running, was it? yeah. >> yeah, right. so -- >> so, you had tremendous african-american turnout, where you will have it this time, but i don't know that you'll have the same money on the ground this time as the obama machine did. >> if judge moore should be successful, this was a problem for the national gop in so far as in 2018, every democrat will link their opponent to judge roy moore. he will essentially become the running mate for every democrat running anywhere...

Even the pollsters say their models are really, really hard to predict. i've talked to dozens of voters who have never voted before in particular, and are voting in this race. the turnout models could be astronomical. leland: as we learned back in november, sometimes the turnout models don't quite work out perfectly. big money though in this race. it appears as though we lost greg from atlanta. it's worth pointing out how much money is in this race. 8.3 million dollars raised, and big money against him. and when we get greg back we'll play one of the ads against, and we'll see if that's having...

They'll have an increased lack of confidence, i think, in the dnc. the dnc now has said they had a vendor problem. i think that will raise more questions by so many within the democratic party infrastructure on whether or not they can trust the dnc to hold this information and to make sure that information is secure and that candidates across the country are then in a better place to build those turnout models that they need. >> it's clear, donna, that the bernie sanders campaign doesn't see the chair or the chair see debbie wasserman-schultz as some fair neutral party in this. >> debbie is th...

And now that the dnc is potentially blocking him from this valuable information for indefinitely really, so it really does strengthen his case and could add a lot of fuel to the grassroots fire that we have already seen. >> you're looking at this, kevin, as a republican. you see an extraordinary fight between a democratic presidential campaign and the dnc. i don't remember maybe there have been occasions like this in the past. nothing comes off the top of my mind. i do remember 1972 during watergate when there were republican operatives who tried to steal information from the dnc headquarters ...