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The same people who are on the ground marching really came through. >> you know, from time to time, we hear from both of you on the broadcast here and i see you on other stations as well. and i don't think we always ask you how you're doing. you're mass shooting survivors. you've devoted your lives to crisscross the country to affect some sort of change. on a personal level, how are you doing? how are you coping? >> i think what we need to think about isn't so much how are we doing but how are the people not currently on tv doing. how are the survivors that walk over blood-stained sidewalks on...

Points. >> you've seen kind of an up and down, up and down and the question is whether kamala harris has adequately seized on that moment she had in the debate. i think you're looking at not just what he says on the stage but what she does in the hours after that. >> you think she should have been on tv doing more interviews. bernie sanders is on every other minute. >> but i think a lot of people have said not just what are you going to say but how are you going to capitalize on that. >> let me read part of it. this new every which way approach, and then they went onto say to their credit the ...

They are preserved to be challenging the court and potentially threatening the judge through that post, but they were widening it saying look, you have been out on tv doing this, do you think that is appropriate? so we are breaking new ground as we speak. >> so to pick up on the phrase theater of the absurd, how does that attitude play on prosecutors that are running this show in mueller's image, so to speak? >> it doesn't go well and now he will be cross examined. don't you just wish we had cameras in the federal courtroom? i am shocked on some level that his lawyers voluntarily put him on th...

He was a made for tv businessman and billionaires who are good at real estate are not on tv doing -- reality tv shows. so setting that aside, i think that he -- what lindsey graham was saying has a little bit of a ring of the emperor has no clothes. it is not what is happening. i don't know why lindsey graham would say that. he is a smart person and knows a lot about foreign policy. it is like he's trying to -- i guess make lemonade from lemons and say this will work out eventually when, in fact, the fact that you had vice president pence and you had john bolton and invoking the libya -- >> th...

>> it's a reality show. who is the most compelling figure? the villain. it's almost like he is playing out these things he was on the tv doing in the past. >> it is a little bit different than just how many big macs he eats. juxta pose it with some broccoli. the good news is, because everybody is saying i've never seen anything like this. it's the worst. if you go back and look at the late 1790s, it is uncanny, scary how common it is looking at the two phases. the fake news, attacking the media, we can't let them do this to us. it all happened once before and