he was a made for tv businessman and billionaires who are good at real estate are not on tv doing -- reality tv shows. so setting that aside, i think that he -- what lindsey graham was saying has a little bit of a ring of the emperor has no clothes. it is not what is happening. i don't know why lindsey graham would say that. he is a smart person and knows a lot about foreign policy. it is like he's trying to -- i guess make lemonade from lemons and say this will work out eventually when, in fact, the fact that you had vice president pence and you had john bolton and invoking the libya -- >> the libya model. and so many experts have -- >> and that is the reason that north korea doesn't want give -- to give up weapons because they don't want to end up like qadhafi. >> that is not a good negotiating tactic. >> and they sent talking points to the surrogates, including the president has been clear he's prepared to walk away from this meeting and kept his word.