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Terms under which that interview took place and try to hold the guilty verdict itself -- the guilty plea itself may be in question. and i just -- we are -- to go back to the very top of the conversation, the president thinks he's winning this this argument. he has enablers throughout capitol hill, on both the senate side regrettably because you thought they'd be more responsible on the house side where we've given up all hope. everyone, he has a loud big amen chorus who are going to be singing the song he's single. to what frank said before at the very top, this day we may have gotten through ...

Will burn everything to the ground to protect himself, to protect himself from this investigation moving closer to the oval office. everything he's doing is a strategy of insightment. he's trying to harden and insigincite his base through the most deliberate, intense, misinformation campaign this country has ever seen. this president is a serial liar. he is lying to the american people every day. he is making up things out of whole cloth. he is serially attacking vital institutions that are necessary to the security of the country. he will apparently stop at nothing. there is a second scandal,...

Intelligence investigation and it never leaked. their view was, this is crazy. how could a democratic administration, how could the people who are for hillary clinton, how could they have not let this out? their view was equally in some ways corrupt. someone should have leaked it. to your point, no one leaked it. on election day, we got to election day and the 350 million americans had no idea anybody was investigating donald trump. >> for suspicious ties to russia, the very thing -- >> people will debate till the end of time, that was one of the things the american public deserved to know. th...

All cnbc analysmsnbc analyst an contributors. frank figliuzzi, let me start with you. we're trying to break this down. the president is investigating a counter intelligence investigation into his campaign. is that appropriate, ethical and legal? >> there is a strong argument the president should be recusing himself of anything to do with the investigation of himself. and now today, nicolle, the presence of emmet flood, even if it was just to make introductory remarks, clearly now creates a conflict. we now -- we have intelligence heads briefing the president's defense attorney. he shouldn't ev...

In on this. on the day's development, on the idea that some people think this is just another art of the deal trumpian negotiating tactic, he certainly left himself room in that word salad of a speech today, how do our allies get behind us if we can barely decipher what the president is saying? >> well, look, jim mussina is absolutely right. the rigger this was approached with was the same he would approach in a fight gary bussey and meat loaf on the apprentice. it is extraordinary to see a senior democrat ben cardin, i hope there is a strategic approach. what day is it finally going to reveal...