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Investigation of the president and what became public, you covered the investigation of hillary clinton. >> even on the issue of the confidential informant, whoever this individual was -- >> can i make a short point? >> hang on one sec, steve. >> there is an argument to be made that by doing that, by having this individual go talk to carter page and talk to papadopoulos, they were actually protecting the secrecy of the investigation because, on the other hand, they could have shown up with badges and guns to talk to these guys. but instead, they secretly sent someone to talk to them to see if ...

Techniques they could. they could have applied for electronic surveillance on these individuals. they certainly had it on carter page. they could have gone further. instead they made subtle approaches through a well established source to see how russians were impacting campaign officials. that was it. trump should be thankful for that instead he's turned it upside down and turned it into what he calls spygate. it's nonsense. >> frank, let me get your thought because we haven't spoken since this to informant has been outed. what are the couldn't kwenss of a president if not condones is complici...

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And go after schiff. it makes it even more political. but their long game is the public. they think the public will decide this. and they're just going to make as much noise as possible to do that. >> is that because they realize this could end up in impeachment proce proceedings? >> i think if rudy giuliani said mueller will not indict the president, so the only area the president would be exposed would be in that area, it would be something decided by the house of representatives representing the people either before or after the mid terms, probably afterwards, and they think that if they ma...

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