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There was nothing -- he wasn't -- there was nothing ilselse i would say. they went after every person that was a threat to trump, from carson to rubio, to then ted cruz. >> it's hard not to see that pattern there. i am curious about this one last aspect of sort of where this is headed, which is, is the president -- i think it was tim o'brien that wrote this -- the price of one-way loyalty. the greatest criticism i have heard over the years from people that have worked with president trump is loyalty matters but it's a one-way street. is that a fair description? >> i think in some cases it. is ...

Davis. i think the president understands that he can't -- obviously this is in the southern district, but he can't do anything to stymy the special counsel's investigation, because as i said to you a couple of weeks ago, that would be like watergate. >> david pecker. how often did you feel you knew the trump organization in some way, whether it's michael, you, roger, then candidate or just private citizen donald trump? how often was david pecker or a.m.i. intersection? how often did you see him? >> well, luckily for me i never dealt directly with pecker or anybody at a.m.i. as you know, having...

>> exactly right. twhfs michael. so i was quite surprised when "national enquirer" had a cover against michael in april. >> you thought that was michael's account. >> michael was close to pecker and it was known within the organization that, you know, michael deals with" national enquirer" the same way i deal with mark levin. >> it's interesting. you're not -- you don't -- has david pecker turned on the president or not? you don't seem to think so. >> it's funny, when they talk about the safe, there are a lot of politicians on both side of the aisle and a lot of celebrities worried about what'...

We have the subpoena is because of laney davis releasing the tape. >> i think you're right on this. when you heard he was granted immunity, what was your reaction? >> well, my reaction so that is having been through this process, is that i don't know specifically if it's immunity in terms of whatever you did -- the same way they said david pecker had immunity, let's say. we just want to get all the information possible so we can acertain whether or not this was a campaign finance violation. even though michael pled guilty to it you know campaigns better than me. this is one of the first times ...