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One could give the other trouble if they decided to get into it. i think it's michelle bachmann getting in and palin remange the king or queen maker, if you will. >> we have the governor of texas, and rush limbaugh says that would change everything if he would run. do you think democrats would have trouble with another governor from texas? >> well, although he is less well known to americans, he's a very divisive figure. he wanted to saw seed from the union. he doesn't have a strong record of governance. he is very divisive. we would be just fine in 2012. >> you two sit tight and we'll talk to...

Center? >> i take issue with the idea he's moving toward the center. if you look at the themes and things he's talking about in terms of winning the future, investing in energy, education, infrastructure, those are things he's actually been talking about since he first started running for president. so i think what we're seeing is now that we're out of crisis, we're actually able to come back to some of these things, and to the point doug made, government can actually help create the conditions for some of these things that we're talking about in terms of job creation. i think that's what the ...

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Will is lots of things that we don't know that president trump knows as president of the united states and i respect that i automatic noting two sit here and be a sucker and say oh, gee, because i haven't seen the details myself, i doubt now the entire intelligence community, entire justice department. i just think that's, in fact, given that mike pompeo cia have to doubt mike pompeo and all the cia that's a bit much. >> tucker: i don't know. let me say one thing compliment to you i remember back 15 years ago when the weapons of mass destruction stuff being touted as irrefutable. you said gee ...

>> tom: katie, you can't say anything now to a woman without summoning making a t-shirt. >> teachers are going to sell like hot cakes because "make america great" sold out in november. >> tom: that's about america. >> persistency is applauded in this day and age. it's key here. i give her a hand for that. >> tom: you do? the thing is -- >> i don't say i agree with it. >> tom: it goes with the sorry not sorry. the idea that somehow women are so put upon that if you say anything to them, you are out of line. >> the oversensitivity has gone way too far. >> tom: way too far. >> i can say that as a...