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>> reporter: they say south africa needs to stop using coal because of climate change. what do you think about that? >> sure, sure. what can i say about that? just because we have a lot of people who depend on the coal. so we can't live without it. >> reporter: just how much will this transition cost? up to $50 or $60 billion in south africa alone. that will need commitment over several years including from the u.s.. and now whether that commitment lasts through the next election in the u.s., that all depends on politics, and that is the difficulty here. ten, 15-year type agreements need to be...

Money. that's why you hear people say, well, he was only in it for the money. you can't go in, i often tell clients this when they come in. what do you want me to do? i can't go in and arrest somebody. i'm not a prosecutor. i'm a civil prosecutor when i have your case, but instead of putting somebody in jail, you take away their money. that's what the tort system is. so, in this case, also in collective bargaining agreements, generally, this is not just something that is unique to the nfl. in other type agreements, arbitrations, for instance, you are in a private setting. that's what people ar...